Forum | Question for those in assistance of Animal Rising a couple weeks back by The_Romford_Blue

They’ve considering that broadened that view that they don’t believe the relationship between humans and animals is correct. They’ve stated that animals should not be pets and that their ideal is a world where cats and dogs are not kept alongside humans as possessions.

They’ve also stated that animals with jobs is not a natural thing to them and that eventually would be something they’d be keen to change. When asked if this includes police sniffer dogs, rats who are trained to sniff out bombs overseas and even guide dogs, they agreed that this is not something they support.

This is not a horse racing thread before people wonder if this is going to be old ground. I just purely wondered if those in support of their beliefs a fortnight ago also agree with this view. Thanks in advance.

admittedly she had be very well trained to provide food, exercise, entertainment and even taught to me to retrieve a ball for her

It’s always been very much a 2-way mutual support thing. Goes without saying that I mean as long as they’re loved & well looked-after with all their needs met.

What I very strongly disapprove of is any animal being used in war. They don’t have the choice that humans do of whether to sign up & risk being killed or horribly injured, nor the capacity to understand such a hugely frightening environment. Really upsets me every time I hear of it.

Now, if you want to make a more appropriate comparison, compartmentalise per ownership to selective breeding, designer pets and puppy/kitten mills – then we’re more in to the Apples to Apples territory. This is something that to me is wrong and as offensive as animals being used in sports.

To be fair they probably do know that. They just know as soon as they go from black and white to grey it’s going to open them up to all sorts of accusations of hypocrisy etc.

As they said in a pre-Epsom interview, ‘you’re either with us or against us’ and seeing as we had some very pro-animal rising people on here, I’m interested as to whether they’re on which side of the fence.

Because you don’t have to support or dislike racing to know that banning guide dogs is a ridiculous idea and does nothing but highlight that they’re extremists. Their world view is extreme and that is the clearest example of it.

I note one of their reasons is to reduce the chance of transmission of diseases and future pandemics. I’m looking forward to their protest in China…

What are your views on police horses and dogs, that are often assaulted while working?

That’s nothing. Mine has even taught me to wipe his @rse from time to time.

For 6 months I tried to adopt an older dog. contacted more than a dozen organisations. At least half of them didn’t even bother getting back to me.

I had two on trial, one was an 11-year old Collie who turned out to be a “car herder” (jumping up at & trying to chase vehicles when walking along our country lanes). The org. admitted they hadn’t assessed her out walking, that she couldn’t be retrained at her age & it was too dangerous for me to keep her. The other was from Dogs Trust & incredibly poorly trained – a wannabe ‘Hound of the Baskervilles’ tribute act when out walking, we became a social pariah – so he too had to be returned. Almost all the older dogs that are still there after months all have serious behavioural issues, a high proportion are detailed as needing to be muzzled when out.

Contrary to popular belief, Dogs Trust told me they have 60-100 applicants for every dog. Other organisations also have a surfeit of applicants. My vet friends warned me against adopting from abroad – whilst a few may be legit strays, many others are coming from puppy farms set up to financially exploit good-natured Brits.

Anyway, buying a puppy hadn’t even been on my radar, but an extraordinary, serendipity, chance meeting (neither of us would normally have been at that place or at that time) with old friend who had bred my previous two dogs, means that since Saturday, I now have a Labrador pup! who absolutely loves playing football, so I’m enjoying a 4th childhood (though am somewhat sleep deprived!).

Great news with the new pup R! Keep us updated.

I had a black ladbrador cross when I was younger and now have a staff/jack russel cross with a bit of a Labrador in too. He’s a good lad. Lazy though haha.

I think seeing as the horses and dogs are well treated and have nice lives, and are loved by their riders/handlers, they’re having a good life which is the main thing.

The c**ts who attack the animals must get 10 years in prison though. Baffles me how in this country kicking a cat (Zouma at West Ham for example) doesn’t even result in prison ffs.

“The c**ts who attack the animals should get 10 years in prison though. Baffles me how in this country kicking a cat (Zouma at West Ham for example) doesn’t even result in prison ffs.”

Hear hear!!

Only if the farmer catches you.

nah, disagree with that.

the best bits of the world (as well as the worst) involve humans and only humans are intelligent enough to consider the question of what makes the world better off or not

What are these ‘best bits’?

love, art, football, music, intelligence, science, loads of intereting stuff!

None of those would matter because they’re only important to humans.

the world would be a much less rich place without these things, animals do not really have the vocabulary to define what matters. what’s important to a dog or a wasp or an elephant?

would humans be acceptable if you could somehow regress them to the level of intelligence of, say, a chicken?

mars is almost entirely human free, is it a “better” place than earth?

It would only be ‘less rich’ in the presence of humans though.

in whose judgement? it’s a slippery slope if you start devaluing human life and devaluing intelligence.

who is making the judgement that the world would be better off without humans? on what basis?

To be fair my dog loves football. She’ not too bothered about art though!

perhaps she hasn’t discovered the ideal art yet, attempt her with some andy warhowl or mark woofko…